Tuesday, June 17, 2014

Digital Engine Control & Monitoring

In the past year or so I'm starting to see more and more buyers both recreational and ski teams spend the money for digital engine control and monitoring. What I am referring to is ICON for Evinrude and SmartCraft for Mercury.  The ICON System is available on any V-6 Evinrude while the SmartCraft is only available on Mercury Verado engines.

Evinrude V-6 motors are all two stroke motors while the Verado is a four stroke motor with super charger.

DO NOT CONFUSE engine monitoring with engine control as both engine monitoring systems can be used with conventional cable controls and have just digital engine monitoring.  Digital control means a computer cable with data signals are used to operate the shift and throttle of the engine or engines and not traditional mechanical cables for shift and throttle control.  Digital controls are super smooth and give the ability to control motor speed more precisely than mechanical cables seem to be able to. Once you experience them it will be hard to go back to mechanical controls. Mechanical cables and controls do wear out and should be replaced over the years depending on use.  Digital controls and cables should never need replacing.

The flush mount recessed digital controls look very similar to mechanical controls but feel a whole lot different and take some getting used to.  They cannot be interchanged between systems. Can you tell the difference in the two pictures below?


The mechanical control is the top left one.  Digital on the lower right.

We have been using digital ICON technology for many years wired as a stand alone GPS Speedometer mainly in Evinrude powered Dyna-Ski Boats.  The dial readout is good for a quick glance and the digital speed readout is in hundredths of a mile per hour on the bottom of the display.  The 40 mph range (setting) works well and the digital goes way past 40 mph for those occasional runs at wide open across the lake! The speed reading in hundredths of a mile per hour on the bottom of the display can cause problems.  More on this later.*


I can hardly remember a single Dyna-Ski that does not have a GPS Speedometer since we started offering it.  Livorsi was the first company to offer GPS Water Ski Speedometers and we put a fair number of their product on Dyna-Ski Boats over the years. 


GPS systems on boats have a puck for speed pickup.  Keep in mind that GPS read out is speed over ground and not water.  The speed reading system is very similar to the ones is use on navigation systems in vehicles. Pictured below is a puck and horn on a Dyna-Ski Open Bow along with a snap for the bow cover.


Dyna-Ski built a triple Verado powered and SmartCraft digital controlled Dyna-Ski for the Hartwick Huskies way back in 2008.  It had power assist hydraulic steering so the boat could be driven with one finger and speed changes on all three engines made with a thumb and two fingers. As far as I know this boat is still in use and they have reported zero problems to Dyna-Ski.


 The Dyna-Ski boat below uses two levers to control three engines which is how Mercury and Evinrude systems currently work. Notice the boat batteries are behind the passenger seat to help reduce the weight in the back of the triple motored boat and also help balance out the boat.  Most ski team twins and all triples have ballast in the front of their Dyna-Ski boats. Some have a lot of ballast.


Dyna-Ski put one of the first ICON systems on a 20' Open Bow demo several years ago.  It is an excellent system and people that tried it loved it.  I'm thinking I will put ICON on my 1987 Hydrodyne which will spoil my son and wife forever I am afraid. I have redone and updated most everything on the boat over the years and there is information on this blog about the updates.  With the Evinrude ICON system the motor end mechanical control parts are replaced with two electrical assemblies one for shifting and one for throttle.  Each motor needs its own kit. This motor has hydraulic steering also.


There have been a few updates over the years and Evinrude has added dedicated gauges to their product line. The dedicated gauges are nice however there are a few limitations with using some of them. The first gauges were 3" and 2" now they also offer much more expensive 5" gauges.  Pictured below are the 3" and 2" dedicated gauges.


The original 3" and 2" ICON gauges can be programmed to display many different engine signals 
the new ones cannot as they are single function generally.  The original ones are still available and we have mixed and matched them for different customer needs when requested.



If you have read this blog you have figured out my background is mainly Evinrude and I'm a two stroke or two cycle fan. Twin Lakes Marine is doing a Mercury Verado with digital controls for a customer so I am hoping to get more information and pictures of this Dyna-Ski in the near future.  We are not Verado Certified as the demand for this product has been enough to spend the time and money to do it yet and we have the experienced folks at Twin Lakes Marine to handle our Mercury needs and now they are an Evinrude dealer as well. Dyna-Ski, Evinrude & Mercury so WIN WIN WIN!

Below is the setup used last summer for a triple with 250 HO Evinrude motors.  Mixture of one 3" multifunction gauge used as a speedometer primarily and three dedicated 3" tachometers 
along with three 2" trim and one 2" fuel level gauge. This Dyna-Ski 20' Closed Bow boat has it all including electric power assist hydraulic steering and a counter rotation unit on one of the three engines so the boat sits flatter and has a more even steering (less potential pulling to one side or boat twist).  This all makes the Dyna-Ski boat super easy to drive and remember it has almost 800 HP!


It makes for a neat and clean motor well also.  Notice the outside motors have the hydraulic cylinders and the center motor is connected with tie bars.


Digital controls available allow the driver to make very easy and very fine adjustments of motor speed!  The digital controls don't allow the driver to slam the motor(s) into gear so gear cases cannot be abused.  The mechanical cables associated with outboards will eventually be a thing of the past in many applications however the wide use of the mechanical systems in the past, coupled with the higher costs may keep cables and mechanical controls around for quite some time.  More and more people are seeing the upsides and paying the extra money to have the benefits long term in certain applications.  Digital controls are everywhere. Your vehicles have had them for many years so why not your boats . . . . . . .

*Please note that I mentioned about that one downside of the GPS digital readout speedometers is the digital speed reading in the hundredths of a mile per hour on the bottom of the display.  I was teaching my son to drive this past summer.  John was focused on maintaining the speed for his Swivel Skiing mother at a rock steady speed of 14 mph.  He was constantly increasing and decreasing the throttle slightly causing the boat to speed up and slow down.  I call it see-sawing the throttle. She was not happy.  Once I convinced him that the speedometer was a guide and not to make changes unless he felt the boat speed change or saw the angle of her ski change he did much better.  The old famous "standard" Air Guide Pitot tube Speedometers that every manufacturer used for many years on ski boats were slow to show speed changes so it made the boat seem easy to drive or hold steady at various speeds.  The boats still are pretty steady!  I could write a book trying to explain that the boat is not actually changing speeds and that the system that gives the readout is using a finer of measurement of speed than is needed.   Not to mention that it is speed over ground and not water that is being shown on them.  I hope this makes some sense as it is not the focus of this article. In the old family ski boat I have a pitot tube Air Guide and a GPS Speedometer on a lake that has lots of weeds in some places.

Bimini Top on a Dyna-Ski



Dyna-Ski Boats has had some inquiries about Bimini Tops on our boats. It seems that the first one of anything we do is difficult.  My heart and head told me not to build a demo Dyna-Ski with a bimini top.  Better to have a customer that wants one to do the leg work and report on how it turns out. Rod Penner who just repowered his Dyna-Ski boat with our help decided he need a bimini top and ran with the ball!

Rod lives on Lake Dyna-Ski as I call it.  Lake North in South Bend, Nebraska is a hot bed for Dyna-Ski Boats.  His first motor was the Evinrude V-4 130 E-Tec.  The new motor is a Evinrude V-6 135 HO.  While it is only 5 more horsepower I am looking forward to a complete report on how much of a change this motor is from a fellow that pulls a lot of water skiers all summer long. You know the boat gets lots of use as he skied the decals off of the boat!  I will have to get him some new decals.

We do a lot of our skiing in the late morning to early afternoon the high sun overhead can create problems both from a heat standpoint and exposure to cancer causing UV rays. The best solution for those problems is a bimini top, so I decided to do some research. I looked locally, searched the big online retailers, and searched bimini tops using my favorite online search engine.


First off, I have no financial interest in any of the bimini top sellers, and the opinions expressed are mine and mine alone, and your results may be different than mine. After looking at many options I chose to purchase my top from ANP inc from Ontario, Canada. The reasons I chose ANP are 1) It is a high quality top with double wall aluminum tubing in the main frame. 2) The price was among the best I found anywhere for a comparable top. 3) They offer a nice variety of options as far as size, hardware, and fabric.


I chose the 5' length, 30-36” height, with sunbrella fabric in Jockey Red, which matches the red trim on my boat perfectly. I opted to update the hardware from the standard nylon to stainless steel, but I'm not sure this is a necessary upgrade as I have seen many older tops with the nylon hardware and it seems to hold up well.

From Pete: Dyna-Ski Boats uses Sunbrella for our boat covers.


When I received the top it was all I expected. The instructions are clear and will take you through every step of assembly in a clear and concise manner. The top comes 36” tall which looked a bit too tall for my liking, but with the use of a jig saw with a hack saw blade I was easily able to adjust that to 32”. Total time from beginning of assembly to completion of installation was about 90 minutes, but your time may vary based on your degree of mechanical aptitude.


So there you have it.  Do it yourself and save money!  Dyna-Ski Boats will continue to offer Bimini Tops as an option and we may follow Rod's lead and order them from ANP ourselves as it seems easy and turns out well!

If you'd like to read the Lake Dyna-Ski story: http://www.dynaskiboats.com/2012/04/lake-dyna-ski.html

Thanks Rod!

Monday, March 17, 2014

Decals & Color Combinations

Over the years we have produced many variations of Dyna-Ski Boats.  With different colors of boats and two basic types of Dyna-Ski decals.  To give you an idea of what is available here are some of the things we and customers have done on Dyna-Ski Boats. Keep in mind that wraps are popular now and almost anything is possible if your pocket book and heart permits it.

My restored 1987 Hydrodyne.  
We made duplicates of the decals, recovered the original seats and embroidered them just like the original Hydrodyne seats were replacing the back seat with a new style Dyna-Ski Rear seat. 
Warning:  The final cost isn't for the faint of heart.


The basic Dyna-Ski design is white hull with black letters.
Ski Teams often add their name and sponsor decals.
White boats are not dated like a colored boat can be.


Black Letters on a white hull with red or blue top gelcoat stripe
is standard on Open Bow Dyna-Ski Boats.
This is a 20' Open Bow with a sun deck and three color interior.


Black Letters on a white hull with red top and bottom stripes. 
Bottom color is an option on Dyna-Ski Boats.


Dyna-Ski Oval decals was the next version we added to the offerings.
Versions have been done in red and blue with the boat model often added below the Dyna-Ski name.
This 17.6 Open Bow has an optional front mounted pylon. 


Ski Cats Ski Team has three color hulls.
Original designed Dyna-Ski Oval on the twin (right) and newest oval version on the single 20' Closed Bow Model (left).


Badgerland's Triple 300 Guinness World Record Tow Boat has a wrap done by their sponsor.


Shawano Ski Sharks have two wrapped Dyna-Ski 20' Closed Bows.
A triple and a twin. I don't have pictures of the twin yet,



Dyna-Ski Oval decal in blue on a 17.6 with a 75 Evinrude E-Tec. 
Owner purchased cover online.

Several ski teams have two Dyna-Ski Triples like the Back Water Gamblers.
One with three 250 HO Evinrude Motors.


 One with three 225 Mercury Motors.


Then there is the triple 115 Tohatsu Dyna-Ski that Twin Bridge built, used and 
sold to the Crandon Ski Team.


No telling what the summer of 2014 will bring with decals and wraps.

Friday, February 7, 2014

Boat Show in Milwaukee with prices.

My boat dealer friend Todd Renn owner of Twin Lakes Marine in Twin Lakes, Wisconsin had a booth at the boat show in Milwaukee. Todd had a Dyna-Ski 17.6 Open Bow on display at the show. So I decided to do a little casual shopping while I was there. I knew that boats were expensive but I still got some sticker shock to say the least. Deck Boat prices and Pontoon Boat prices even caught me off guard also.

Here was the best prices or deals I saw at the show for true 
water ski boats.


 For just $11,00 more you can step up!



Now if you are a more concerned about keeping up with the neighbor's and brand name rather than just price.


Last but not least if you need to make a 
real statement! 
With the savings from "RETAIL" to "Final Boat Show Price" on the model below
you could almost buy a 17.6 Dyna-Ski!


For this kind of money you could buy a 
Dyna-Ski 20' Ski Team Model with three motors!

If you are on a tighter budget, want a boat that costs less to operate and insure, goes faster, is easier to dock and back up where you want it, not to mention is easier to haul to/from the lake because it is lighter and will also take up less room in the garage you could buy a Dyna-Ski Outboard Water Ski Boat.

Monday, January 13, 2014

So you are thinking about a used inboard instead of a Dyna-Ski?

I took this picture at a gas station a couple summers ago.  With gas holding in the $3.00 to $4.00 per gallon level the past couple of summers it reminds me of how much gas my old outboards used to use.  Much has been written about the increased fuel and oil efficiency of outboards so I'll let you do your own research for now.  I can tell you that I buy a lot less gasoline and oil now than I ever did.  This picture should serve as an eye opener if you are wondering about how much gas one of these older inboards might use.


Thursday, January 9, 2014

The true cost of restoring an old 18' Hydrodyne or 20' Hydrodyne?



We fix and restore fiberglass boats in the boat shop.  Keep in mind that most of the time the biggest cost is labor!  Over the years we have done everything that you can imagine from simple buffing to complete rebuilding.  Transom, floors, stringers, little holes and real big holes . . . . real big holes!



Over the last couple winters we have done various things on my banker friend's older 18'.  It had been a ski team twin many years ago. The owner said that the boat needed seats, dash cleaned up, extra holes on the dash filled and holes filled in the motor well area, etc. It did not need major work!  He liked our Dyna-Ski back seat and side panels in our recreational Dyna-Ski Boats.  He wanted a pylon that took up less room.  The 18' boat did not need stringers, floor or transom work so nothing major.  I'm pretty sure it got new carpet.  Well before he got the old 18' it was made into a single. Someone else redid the transom along the way.  He has a late model 175 Mercury Optimax for power.  It has plenty of get up and go!  I told him that a new Dyna-Ski 17.6 would be a better investment of his money and he might have more in fixing up the old "family" ski boat than a new one would cost.  The family convinced dad to fix up the old ski boat!

According to the owner the only thing it needs now is paint.  Although it looks good in the couple pictures that I have it is what I'd call a 50' boat.  Looks great from 50' (and in pictures) but not close up!  So far he tells me he has spent about $10,000.00 doing the upgrades.  He has done none of the labor himself.  All he has done is bring the boat to the shop tells us what he wants and returned to pick up the boat when the work is done.  The boat was there for two winters so far.  Our labor rates are reasonable (I am told) and since we do these projects as time permits our margin (profit) is very low.  BUT most of the project has been labor.

Another good water ski friend shared the following information with me.  He has been following this rebuilding story on another website.

I think it is time to tell any prospective restorers what this kind of project costs in dollars and materials. I did not keep exact records because I don't care but I did keep rough records.
 
A guy on Hydrodyners bought a "clean" 1972 18 footer!  Ended up that it was rotten from leaky fin area.

He has been restoring - here is the cost so far, without gel/paint. All the labor he has provided.

$1450 - largest expense for 7 Bluewater 26 Coosa boards 1/2" x 4 x 8'. Transom and stringers have eaten 3+ sheets. The 3+ left should be enough to do the floor.

$460 - 6 1" thick Divinycell H80 core material 4' x 32".

$250 - ATC 72 core adhesive. I had to buy a 5 gallon bucket which is double what I needed but I have some creative uses for leftovers such as bonding the floor to the stringers.

15 gallons of polyester resin. I can get the stuff for $20/gal (plus shipping) and I have just shy of 3 gallons left. I will need probably 3 more to finish.

10 yards of 17oz 45-45 biax cloth for $90. All used and I will buy another 10 yards shortly.

I also bought fiberglass matt (more than I need) and fiberglass tape for tabbing (more than I need). There was alot of small buys of materials which I have kept a rough track of.

Bottom line at this point is that I have $3600 into this boat and a hell of a lot of work. I think that another $500 will finish it. Then I have to send it to the local boat builder to have it Gel-coated (don't know what that will cost) and then fitted with steering, fuel tanks, instruments, and controls all of which I will do. And seats and carpet and a ski pole. I hope to give my local boat builder my leftover materials for a price reduction on the gel-coat job.
 
After I wrote the initial posting it turns out the guy doing the restoration reads my blog and was parts shopping from Dyna-Ski.  He offered to send me pictures of the restoration, additional information, etc. So here is the boat he purchased.  It looks pretty good for an old 18' Hydrodyne. TJ even shared a comment that you should see with this information.  I'm going to make another posting in the future using more pictures of his long restoration project.  Hopefully it will include on the water pictures but I have a feeling it will be awhile.


Below is this is the newest picture I got from TJ.
Dyna-Ski Boats have no bracing on our hulls and none is needed for 900 horsepower.
The transom is a little over 3" thick on a 20' Closed Bow Dyna-Ski.
The deck and floor are important to the strength of a Dyna-Ski Boat.
 
 
So when you take the top story and add the bottom story together you should get a feel for the dollars and time it takes to do a restore on an old fiberglass boat. We are not the boat builder the guy in the second story mentions. Gelcoating an older boat properly is very expensive. A quality paint job where the painter turns the boat over and paints the hull bottom and then the deck is the best way to paint a boat.  It is also expensive but not as much as Gelcoating an old boat.  I think painting and old boat is the best way to go, period!  
 
The second guy needs at least $2000 for the stuff to rig a single engine with hydraulic steering, controls, cables, wiring, gauges, GPS Speedometer, etc.  Much more if he wants two engines.  No mention of a trailer expense in either story.

A transom, stringers and floor can cost $6000 when done in a boat repair shop if you want a solid well done boat.  If it is done as a cosmetic fix like a body shop would do it should be cheap and last a short time if you are lucky. And in the end you still have an old boat.  Unfortunately old boats are not going up in value like older cars are thanks largely in part to the car auctions on the TV!
 
I keep getting calls for parts and pieces for older Hydrodyne boats.  Some people are shocked by the cost of custom seats and interior parts.  Shipping is expensive also. I'd bet they go with cheap seats from online catalogs that they sell. 
 
Buying a new Dyna-Ski isn't such a bad idea many times.

I should mention that while rebuilding an older boat may be fun it can take a long time. 
It is more fun driving and skiing behind a New Dyna-Ski boat than rebuilding one. 

Sunday, January 5, 2014

New Guinness World Record Pyramid

There has been a new world record for pyramids behind a single outboard powered water ski boat established.  The tow boat was a Badgerland's Dyna-Ski Ski Team 20' Closed Bow model with three 300 hp Evinrude E-Tec engines. Boat Driver Jason Hook.

60 people. An amazing feat indeed.

When you are pulling these many people there is a certain amount of luck involved. The luck portion is mainly no falls and no knots.

World Record Tow Boat
This above picture was taken at a previous attempt at the worlds record in Beaver Dam, WI. 

There are a lot of photos/videos on the page Badgerland built for it: 


The goal was 70 or 72 which they got off the dock a couple times but then they had falls and/or rope problems I was told.  I was not there. Seems they are going to take another shot at it again in 2014.