Sunday, August 21, 2016

17.6 Open Bow with a wrap around interior

I have been taking more pictures, we are shooting videos and working on a couple UTube videos. 17.6 Open Bow with a three color wrap around interior with snap on bow and cockpit covers

  17.6 Open Bow with a 150 Evinrude son John at the wheel
Cockpit
Bow Seating

There is a lot of storage space with this interior
There is space under all the seats with enough room and length under the passenger bench seat for a boom and hylon.
Drivers side
Optional AM/FM Radio
Passenger Side Bench

Seating area behind the passenger bench seat
Behind the drivers seat

There are two speakers total in this boat
Typical Dyna-Ski Dash
with GPS Speedometer and analog gauges.
Evinrude Recessed Control
The mechanical control with cables and the ICON Digital Control look identical  
3" ICON Digital Speedometer
Almost every boat we have built has a GPS Speedometer
2" Analog Trim Gauge
2" Analog Fuel Gauge
3" ICON Digital Tachometer
3" Analog System Check Tachometer
2" Analog Water Pressure Gauge

 2" Programmable ICON Gauge
Optional paddle wheel pickup has depth and water temperature
The dash can be filled with 4 of these ICON gauges and you can program all of them for different things if you desire. Most boats have 3" GPS Speedometer, 3" System Check Tachometer, 2" analog fuel, trim and water pressure gauges with a 2" programmable ICON gauge or 2" analog voltmeter.

Switch Panel
 3" ICON Tachometer & 3" GPS Speedometer 
Three 2" dedicated function gauges and
 one 2" ICON programmable used as a depth gauge
which requires a transom mounted paddle wheel pickup.
This Dyna-Ski has digital shift and throttle which is only available 
on V-6 Evinrude engines. 

Saturday, August 20, 2016

17.6 Open Bow with a 75 hp Evinrude in 2016


 Dyna-Ski 17.6 Open Bow tows easy even with my wife's old Escape.

Several years ago we built a Dyna-Ski very similar to this one.  The water skiers that buy these lower powered Open Bow 17.6 Dyna-Ski Boats often live on smaller lakes with size and/or power restrictions.   The 7' wide boat is US Coast Guard rated for 5 people with a maximum of 150 hp so most buyers go with a 135 HO or 150 hp 6 cylinder engine. This post will be mainly about a 17.6 Open Bow with a 75 hp Evinrude motor built for a customer.

17.6 Open Bow with a two stroke V-6 158 cubic inch 150 hp Evinrude
which looks much bigger than the 75 below because it is.


17.6 Open Bow with a two stroke 75 hp Evinrude
 inline 3 cylinder 79.1 cubic in motor  
We built the first Dyna-Ski boat with the 75 hp motor several years ago but I really didn't have enough time to fully test it out as the owner like most owners was in a hurry to get his new water ski boat.  Once the owner got it I never heard another word from him which is typical.  I guess we did a good job?   Fully testing out a boat now means taking lots of pictures, videos and running the finished combination as the owner will use it so pulling a wide variety of skiers during final water testing.  The owner of this Dyna-Ski was nice enough to give us more time with the boat and motor combination which again is somewhat unique with only a 75 horse power two stroke motor powering it.  This Dyna-Ski boat is headed to Texas.

17.6 with 75 at speed

First of all I wanted to find the best prop with the 75 hp motor for the owner.  The BRP factory suggested maximum operating range of the motor is 4500 to 5500 RPM's.  I like having the boat operating at the upper suggested limit at wide open throttle.  Turns out the best prop is a Mercury Quick Silver Prop that is 13" pitch and 14" diameter.  The part number is QA3832X which needs a hub kit to work on an Evinrude.  The prop gave us a top speed of 36 mph on the GPS Speedometer at 5400 RPMS.  Having the optimum combination on a low horsepower boat is important.  The Evinrude three blade 13" by 13" prop went 32 MPH on the GPS at 5500 RPMs with more throttle available and the 13" by 15" prop went 36 MPH but at only 5200 RPMs. These both were aluminum props as the stainless steel props did not work as well even the four blades.  If you need a new or spare prop I have some good prices on them.

Flo-Torq II Hub Assembly Kit for Evinrude/Johnson 40-140 hp
Most props now require a motor and size specific hub kit for installation
Customers could use a larger selection of props suitable for water skiing in the 12" to 19" pitch range for the 3 cylinder, 4 cylinder and even the 6 cylinder motors.  Fortunately I have a lot of new and some old props to try but I usually don't get the chance to really fine tune a unique combination.  Another option is to have a custom prop shop like BBlades fine tune your prop.  It is not cheap. Their experience can save you time and money vs trial and errors. Most sellers won't take back a used prop.

The removable adjustable mirror can be mounted above or below the windshield

The first thing my primary test team (wife, son and me) noticed is the wake is even smaller than a 17.6 Open Bow Dyna-Ski with a 150.  No doubt the 100 lbs less the 75 hp motor weighs makes for the big difference as everything else is the same weight as a 150 equipped Dyna-Ski.  The smaller prop (or is it the fewer cubic inches of the motor?) seems to make the motor bubbles (exhaust bubbles) almost non existent.  The 75 hp, 320 lbs. inline 3 cylinder 79.1 cubic in motor had good torque and held all the skiing speeds well.  Evinrude uses the same specifications to get 90 hp on a different model engine.  The boat with the 75 hp motor isn't fast out of the hole but remember it is only 75 hp and the people that buy these limited power boats are usually restricted by things they cannot change.  Fuel economy seems very good but we have not been running it hard or at the upper limits of its maximum speed for the bulk of the water skiing we are doing. Note: A person cannot load up a low horsepower water ski boat with people and expect to pull water skiers besides easily. 

It would be interesting to try a Mercury 75 hp Optimax motor as it is also an inline 3 cylinder but it has 93 cu in and weighs 375 lbs.  Mercury uses the same specifications to get 90 hp, 115 hp and 125 hp on different models.  The Mercury 75 hp EFI four stroke is as an inline 4 cylinder 105.7 cu in motor that tips the scales at 399 lbs.  Additional models available with the same specifications are 90 hp and 115 hp.

From my seat of the pants experience four strokes are a little slower out of the hole and on top speed than two strokes.  However horsepower is horsepower and hot rodders will tell you more cubic inches is better as often more torque is produced with more cubic inches and the same horsepower.  Water ski boats like more torque.  Torque is pulling power.  More horsepower usually gives you higher top speeds.  Maybe with time and money spent trying different props there may be no difference in the end.  I've done some testing in the past with an Evinrude 90 and 115 two stroke but have not done any lately largely because no one has ordered a boat with either size of motor or a Mercury 75. 

I have decided I need to more thoroughly water test all the Dyna-Ski boats, take more pictures and shoot more video!  So look for more Dyna-Ski pictures and videos in the not to distant future I hope.  If you make your own videos let me know and I'll share the links with readers.  I also love pictures to put on the blog and website.  I've had almost 67,000 page views in the four years or so I've been operating this little blog.


Lower horsepower boats do not need more expensive hydraulic steering but the boat still has everything else including a recessed control and dash full of gauges.

Passenger Bucket seat has a locking swivel
Passenger Bench Seat is also available 
as well as the wrap around rear seating option

Fuel, trim, GPS Speedometer, Tachometer, Water Flow 
& Programmable ICON Gauge (Left to right)


The oil tank is under the motor cowl so no external oil tank is needed

   17.6 Open Bow with snap on bow and cockpit covers
Notice the grab rails on the deck which is a new offering


Now you know we produce a 17.6 Open Bow model that is a decent water ski boat with only a 75 hp motor!  Everyone's prices go up every year and interest rates are still low.  Our price increases are more than typical borrowing interest rates so buying and enjoying the boat now makes fiscal sense.  Credit Unions tend to have the lowest interest rates and Home Equity loans can be written off on most peoples taxes.  What are you waiting for?

Friday, August 5, 2016

Speed Control or "Perfect Pass" type of System on an outboard UPDATE. IT IS AVAILABLE NOW!

There have been more and more people shopping Dyna-Ski Outboard Boats that are interested in "Perfect Pass" which is a term we use to describe speed control or cruise control on a water ski boat.  I decided with some prompting it was time to check into what is available (again) for myself and people interested in Dyna-Ski Boats.  Perfect Pass apparently has not done anything new.  The Perfect Pass system for outboards requires the buyer to fabricate a bunch of stuff on the motor end under the motor cowling to make it work.  Not a simple project at all.  Greg Hind from Down Under has made it work on the big three outboard brands.  A couple US Dyna-Ski customers have made it work but they are all tight lipped about it.  It is mechanical system.

Mercury Marine has a system available on their Digital Controlled Outboards (DTS)   which means their four stroke Verado line.  The Mercury system is called  Smart Tow.  I checked into it and WOW.  It seems they have not really promoted this product at all to water skiers.  There is only one true tournament style outboard boat manufacturer (Dyna-Ski) and this is the first time I put my nose to the grind stone, kept asking, calling and emailing.  Obviously they had not told me either until now. 

Mercury developed it and it is readily available now and has been for awhile.  Few people know much of anything about Smart Tow even at Mercury.  Smart Tow has several levels of upgrades including one for Zero Off.  I'm still researching what the Zero Off system adds and how it works.

The Mercury SC1000 Smart Tow system has pre programmed launch controls. Once the skier is "launched" onto the water the driver can set the speed the skier wants.  RPM's, GPS or a paddle wheel pickup data is used to monitor the speed.  Stepping up to the Merc Monitor allows the operator to custom make launch profiles, save and use  them.  Mercury suggests power steering with their Verado outboards.

Launch Control: Sets and controls the speed of acceleration from idle to set cruise speed for Smart Tow Tachometer and Speedometer.

Cruise Control: Sets and controls the speed of the engine for cruising on Smart Tow Tachometer and Speedometer.


Here is a link to the Mercury website on Smart Tow.  There are lots of pages.  Second address is the pdf file. You'll have to cut and paste it into your browser.  There are a couple blank pages at the top.

https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/gauges-and-controls/gauges-displays/

https://mercurymarine-gsdesign1.netdna-ssl.com/media/filer_public/13/31/1331b875-e56c-4349-8460-f562b38bded0/smartcraft_gauges_owners_guide.pdf 

Smart Tow is covered in pages 60 – 96

Cruise Control starts at page 87.
Launch Control starts at page 91. 
  
20’ Open Bow Boats are very good water ski boats with 200 HO Evinrudes and 200 Pro XS Mercury motors.  Most people order larger engines.  Up until now we have only built a couple Dyna-Ski Boats with four stroke engines.  I think this might change.  Sadly the Verado line of engines starts at 175 hp so Smart Tow isn't an option yet for a Dyna-Ski 17.6 Open Bow as the US Coast Guard limits us to 150 hp on that size of boat.  Many people like a 17.6 as it fits better in their life which means garage, boat house, boat lift, lake restrictions, budget, etc.

The Dyna-Ski 20' Open Bow and 20' Barefooter are excellent all around water ski boats.  I personally have pulled 5 barefooters at 45 mpg on the GPS Speedometer with a 200 HO Evinrude and 2 people in the boat.  I also have personally pulled 5 barefooters at 45 mpg on the GPS Speedometer with a 250 HO Evinrude with 7 people in the boat. 

Now the perfect speed control solution Smart Tow is readily available on an outboard powered Dyna-Ski Boat.  Hurry before the waiting line is 6 months long . . . . . . . . 





Tuesday, August 2, 2016

Guide to the articles on the Dyna-Ski Blog

I decided the best thing I could do is give you an index to the articles on this blog.  This blog and others are in the order the posts are put on the blog according to the date so as you have or will notice it is a pain to find what you may want.  Hopefully I can figure out how to keep this at or near the top of the blog.  For some reason unknown to me it is not possible to list all the articles in one blog post so I picked the ones I think you might be most interested in however there are many other good articles as questions and information I get via email and the phone are the basis for the blog posts.

How to buy a Dyna-Ski Boat        Friday, January 22, 2016
Dyna-Ski Videos       Monday, January 18, 2016
Interiors & Sound Systems         Sunday, January 3, 2016
What color Dyna-Ski?      Saturday, January 2, 2016 
Upgrading to Evinrude digital controls    Thursday, June 18, 2015
What makes a decent water ski boat?         Saturday, February 14, 2015
Touch a Dyna-Ski before you buy?       Tuesday, February 3, 2015
Dyna-Ski Open Bows with towers      Friday, January 30, 2015
Wrap Around Rear Seat       Tuesday, August 26, 2014
Fine Tuning a water ski boat     Saturday, August 16, 2014 
Hylons or Extended Pylons       Wednesday, August 13, 2014 
Digital Engine Control & Monitoring      Tuesday, June 17, 2014 
Bimini Top on a Dyna-Ski     Tuesday, June 17, 2014 
Decals & Color Combinations        Monday, March 17, 2014 
So you are thinking about a used inboard instead of a Dyna-Ski?    Monday, January 13, 2014 
Barefoot Booms on Dyna-Ski Boats    Sunday, July 28, 2013 
Information Inquiries & Reply Troubles?    Friday, May 10, 2013 
If you want to try it before you buy it?    Sunday, April 14, 2013 
How long does it take to build a boat?    Sunday, April 14, 2013 
New Trend?   Tuesday, March 5, 2013 
Cruise Control on an Outboard Finally   Friday, February 22, 2013 
17.6 Wake    Wednesday, July 25, 2012 
20' Barefooter including interior shots   Thursday, July 19, 2012 
20' Open Bow Pictures including interior shots   Thursday, July 19, 2012 
Dyna-Ski 17.6 Open Bow Pictures including interior shots   Thursday, July 12, 2012 
Hydraulic Steering    Wednesday, March 28, 2012 
Things to consider when buying a Dyna-Ski Boat or others Friday, March 9, 2012 
17.6 Open Bow performance with a 115   Saturday, March 3, 2012 
17.6 Open Bow with a 90 E-Tec   Saturday, March 3, 2012 
Dyna-Ski 17.6 Open Bow Barefoooting Pictures   Monday, February 20, 2012 
Outboards, back in?    Monday, February 20, 2012 
Dyna-Ski Outboard compared to other outboards boats.  Tuesday, January 24, 2012 
17.6 vs 20 Open Bow Dyna-Ski   Saturday, January 21, 2012

Friday, January 22, 2016

How to buy a Dyna-Ski Boat


 2015 Dyna-Ski 17.6 Open Bow with a three color interior

It seemed obvious to me that if you want to buy a Dyna-Ski Boat the best way to do it is email or call Dyna-Ski Boats.  Email info@dyna-ski.com or call 715-854-7501.  After hearing this question and other similar questions it finally occurred to me that I should address this issue on my blog as it was not obvious.  Seems people are not used to contacting the manufacturer directly and actually talking to the person that owns the company about what they are interested in.  Every Dyna-Ski boat is custom made for the owner.  I seldom have a new boat on hand although I try to build a demo or two every year.  Often times the demo gets sold before it hits the water as a demo.

  2015 Dyna-Ski 17.6 Open Bow headed to the owners boat house

I'm not sure if it is easier or better to look thru the information on this blog first and then get some ball park pricing or if you want the prices first before you decide how you want your Dyna-Ski built. Only you can answer that question.  The blog has answers to questions and information that people have asked me about over the years and continue to ask every year.  I wish that it had a better way to index the information other than by the date they are written. Sorry.

20' Open Bow with my son in tow on a ski board several years ago

Some shoppers inquire about Dyna-Ski used or left over boats.  There are not any left overs or non currents as dealers and manufacturers often call them.  It isn't common for owners to sell their Dyna-Ski or even their old Hydrodynes.  Often the boats are given to the kids or sold to a neighbor and seldom do they inform Dyna-Ski that their boat is for sale.  If a used Dyna-Ski is available they tend to command top dollar and sell quickly during the boating season.  Because there are more Dyna-Ski Boats out there I had/have a couple owners that are looking to sell and buy new Dyna-Ski boats.  Both have taken their boats off the market as the time of year that I can guarantee that they will get their new boat for this spring is passing as I am writing this entry in January.  We build water ski boats, fishing boats and skiffs at the boat shop in Iola, WI. more and more every year.  It is hard to guarantee when a boat will be finished because we are a small company as boat builders go and suppliers are not good.  Boats are built in the order that is determined by when the deposit arrives.  We do our best to keep the stuff we need to build boats in stock however we don't have the space available to stock lots of everything.  Suppliers have grown awful over the past 3 to 5 years and they don't seem to care.

 20' Open Bow Barefooter

The best way to get it rolling is to contact me (Pete) at info@dyna-ski.com or call 715-854-7501 and leave a message.   I reply typically within a day often the same day so if you have not gotten an email check your spam folder.  Remember that email is not 100% and voice mail isn't either plus there is the human element (me) so there is a chance I didn't get your message or misplaced it.  I talk to many people in a week about the same things (Dyna-Ski Boats).  I prefer email as this provides a paper trail but even email isn't perfect.  I often return calls from my cell phone which I also text from.  If I get a call on my cell phone I answer it unless I cannot talk in which case I will call you back when I have time to talk.  715-854-7501 is not a cell phone so don't waste your time texting this number.

Dyna-Ski Boats builds some very unique products.  Our boats are built strong and we use the same materials and techniques to build every Dyna-Ski Boat. There isn't as much material (weight) in the Open Bow boats as there is required in the 20' Closed Bow model unless you want to order your boat this way.

 20' Dyna-Ski Closed Bow with 3-300 hp Evinrude Motors
60 person Guinness World Record Pyramid it pulled 
 
The fastest way to send money to Dyna-Ski is to overnight a personal check using the post office.  Wire Transfers take your bank and mine time to process them plus the banks charge more than the post office.  Besides I like to help keep the Post Office in business. You should not require a signature because no one is usually in the home office when the mail person comes and my mail box is 500' from the house which means it does not work out well.  Often times the mail person will put the overnight envelope in my door.  Given the rural location of my house/office on Lake Noquebay in Wisconsin there isn't anyone around to swipe my mail.   

What are you waiting for?   

Monday, January 18, 2016

Dyna-Ski Videos

It is time to start putting some videos on the web.  My son (high school age) John has made a couple and you can to.  If you send me a video that I put a link to on my web I'll send you something.  I have not decided what it will be as I don't know if I'll be swamped with stuff or not.  I don't know how long I'll continue the offer as I just decided to do it this weekend while watching the Green Bay Packers lose in the playoffs so the offer may be cancelled at any time.

The first video is 17.6 Open Bows.


 

This video is a patented wake shaping device.  It can make the boat wake much bigger without ballast in the boat.  A friend over in Michigan came up with the product and tested it on an old 17.6 Hydrodyne I have around for messing with. The motor is an old 112 hp.  Roger is working on the next step in the development of the product.


 

This video is Dyna-Ski Boats in use at the 2015 Wisconsin State Water Ski Show Tournament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnb6iFvTfis

The only rule is keep it clean so if your mother or father see it they won't mind and try to keep the length reasonable.

Thanks!

Pete